Going back to the Big 8, the best teams - Nebraska, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Colorado all are mediocre or terrible in their new conferences.

They only looked good back then due to who they were playing.

In today's Big 12, it is still mostly the same. I'll bet that even Michigan could beat most of their top teams today.

If I am wrong (and I could be), lets see how they look vs Big 10 or SEC teams in the playoffs.

There is still too much emphasis out on the big 12 by the committee.

I honestly believe this Oregon team right now would beat the Utes. The personnel difference is just too big.

Would Utah even stand a chance against Georgia?

I am not saying you two are wrong, but OBD lost to OK State, which lost last night to Texas Tech.

This sort of comparison is somewhat arbitrary, but what method would be more equitable?

I am trying to see this from the perspective of BYU et al.

3 minutes ago, Triphibius said:

I am not saying you two are wrong, but OBD lost to OK State, which lost last night to Texas Tech.

This sort of comparison is somewhat arbitrary, but what method would be more equitable?

I am trying to see this from the perspective of BYU et al.

We did lose to Ok State at the start of the season and I'm not saying the Ducks deserve to be the in playoff at this point, we didn't take care of business and that's on this team.

But has Utah played the same tier of athletes that are in the big ten? Would they beat Ohio State? Would they be competitive with Georgia as no.1 and no.2 should be theoretically competitive with each other.

Just feels like the committee is treating the big 12 like it still had Texas and Oklahoma, of which how would they stack up in the Big 12 right now? Neither are great but they are both playing against better rosters than the Big 12.

If Oregon makes it into the playoff and has to square off against Utah... I'm betting on the Ducks (this version anyways).

If this were the BCS and it was Georgia v Utah in the national championship game I'm betting on Georgia big time.

There is just much bigger jump between the power two to the ACC and Big 12 and the committee isn't recognizing that... Yet.

This also isn't to say I don't think Utah deserves a playoff spot. They do... But are they really the no. 2 team on the country?

OBD did themselves no favors by losing to a team currently tied for 4th at 4-3 in the Big 12 and 6-4 total and looked horrible doing it. Oregon is currently tied for 3rd at 5-2 in the Big 10 but were embarrassed by a mid Big 12 team. Throw in another bad loss to a mid Big 10 team and I'd say they are over rated at #16.

I'd love to see them make the playoffs and I think they could go far if they make it. I'd also understand if they don't.

I think the committee does recognize the tallent gap between conferences. I think the committee sees Oregon for who they are and the last 3 games of tape is who the committee sees.

This is the same argument the SEC makes every year. Seeing themselves as a tear above everyone else. Is their argument less valid than the one being made here?

The playoff is set up to get the top 6-8 teams in. And it leaves room for 4-6 teams that are second tear.

If oregon is a top 6-8 they will be recognized and placed in the 12. It seems like the committee is working to make sure that happens. And when they do, some will be super angry about it. But the Ducks are a top 4 in the country as of right now, maybe top 2.

The few loses aren't what's important. The old saying "you are what your record says you are" is wrong. And the committee knows it. The knew it with FSU a few years ago, and they know it now.

55 minutes ago, The Kamikaze Kid said:

I'd love to see them make the playoffs and I think they could go far if they make it. I'd also understand if they don't.

This is where I'm at with this Oregon team as well.

If we make it then Lanning has done some incredibly rare... Fire a coordinator and improve drastically mid season. Michigan did the same thing and it made no real difference for them.

I'm hoping the Ducks make it ... But I won't be that upset if they don't make it.

The only thing they can control in the next two weeks is winning big. They do that and they've made the best of what they have.

1 hour ago, David Marsh said:

We did lose to Ok State at the start of the season and I'm not saying the Ducks deserve to be the in playoff at this point, we didn't take care of business and that's on this team.

But has Utah played the same tier of athletes that are in the big ten? Would they beat Ohio State? Would they be competitive with Georgia as no.1 and no.2 should be theoretically competitive with each other.

Just feels like the committee is treating the big 12 like it still had Texas and Oklahoma, of which how would they stack up in the Big 12 right now? Neither are great but they are both playing against better rosters than the Big 12.

If Oregon makes it into the playoff and has to square off against Utah... I'm betting on the Ducks (this version anyways).

If this were the BCS and it was Georgia v Utah in the national championship game I'm betting on Georgia big time.

There is just much bigger jump between the power two to the ACC and Big 12 and the committee isn't recognizing that... Yet.

This also isn't to say I don't think Utah deserves a playoff spot. They do... But are they really the no. 2 team on the country?

I agree completely. Utah is not #2. There is just no way. I also think UCLA is not a top 10 team, but their is so much parity in the 1st and 2nd tier of the SEC and B1G that the loss column is still bedazzling the committee.

This mess we are in of having 3 losses yet if we project a little, playing like one of the top 5 teams in the country able to beat any given team any Saturday, is the reason you have a big playoff field. We could make a run, but I don't think we get that chance this year.

28 minutes ago, Solar said:

I also think UCLA is not a top 10 team, but their is so much parity in the 1st and 2nd tier of the SEC and B1G that the loss column is still bedazzling the committee.

Agree here.

UCLA has lucked out big time in their schedule this year.

But... I'd give them a playoff spot because they are playing the slate of conference games they have been dealt. When they don't have control over those games and they are doing what they need to do.

Though like Utah when they hit a team like Georgia or Miami I wouldn't be surprised if they get splattered. Again... Oregon didn't play offense and gave them the ball 7 times and they barely walked away with a win.

UCLA is well coached and they deserve a playoff spot.