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I'm not entirely sure how this would be good news, it isn't like spring ball has started and while I do believe players have the option/ability to practice together the only thing coaches can mandate as of current is weights/gym time. I think this is more about Shough trying to preserve himself and give himself the head start at another program. With him already completing his degree I do not blame him in any manner.

Reading that article is hard... mostly because it is bad. Like they give concessions away that USC has a horrid offensive line(True) but then pretend that because ASU returns so much talent they will be good. ASU had a horrible offensive line. and while it was technically improved in 20 over 19, they didn't play anyone. they allowed 6 sacks playing the number 12, 10, 6 and 4 defenses in the conference... It's Like when people talked about Cal returning the most on offense, Mediocre is still mediocre. ASU will consistently be a pac south middling team. They don't have the coaching staff, they don't have the resources and they can't win the in state recruiting(no one in AZ wants to keep living in Phoenix when LA is offering).

Yeah I haven't worked in insurance for sometime, but I've noticed a lot of people who don't understand HIPAA. as for FERPA I make no claims to understanding it but I do know it isn't only colleges bound by it. If Flowe was in highschool, it is possible that he could be violating it but again being that Flowe is in college, and his coach was told the information from Flowe rather than learning in his role as an "education professional" there is no way he violated FERPA either.

I don't like PFF for anything other than them giving hard to find 'Simple' stats. Example of a 'simple' stat that I like to read but is impossible to find unless you personally chart the games is Yards after contact. "Advanced metrics" often fail or are incomplete because they rely on human evaluation and then you add in that PFF doesn't produce how they manufactured their results. In your example yes the qb throwing a short pass to TE is much easier than throwing the 30 yard bomb into a tight window yet depending on the play QB1 may have made the right decision while QB2 got lucky. Simple stats are limited, I make no argument against that, and sometimes as coaches and fans you just have to say yup the eyeball test says Brown is better. But I think there's a lot of strength when comparing these stats to averages, averages across the conference, averages across the years, or multi-year cross divisional averages. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes not that is my only point. The original point was that Shough had multiple passes that should have been intercepted. They Eye test agrees but the averages and facts point out that he actually had on average more INT's per PD than statistically normal. That's It, make with the information as you see fit.

That is not how HIPPA works... HIPPA prevents healthcare professionals from sharing "sensitive patient health information". So DR's, nurses any medical professionals and health insurance billing and so forth. If you share information with as Flowe did with a previous acquaintance and that person leaks or spreads the information they are not breaking HIPPA.

Yes, but every QB has passes that shouldn't be intercepted. Shough is not the exception to a lucky missed int. First look at the stats, the average NFL QB, throws an INT on ~2.4 percent of their attempted passes. As a first year started Shough threw 6 INT's on 167 pass attempts or ~3.6%. (I couldn't find NCAA stats but to also prove my point the top 10 in the pac, (in attempts threw 1552 pass and 46 INT's) had a 2.9% INT to attempt ratio. Now let's talk about how frequently defenses get INT's. The college numbers for years have suggested that you get an INT on 22% of your pass break ups(PBU's). this makes pretty good logistical sense, PBU's incorporates both INT and passes defended so the more you are in position(either by skill or scheme) to defend a pass the more likely you are to get an INT as well. After pulling the numbers either 1) he(shough) is more unlucky than the average college QB or 2) he is more likely to throw an INT on a defendable pass. during the season he had 19 Passes defended, which means he had 31% INT to PBU Ratio. My point isn't to say that I think Shough is great, although I think he can improve with an actual off-season with Moorhead. It's that he deserves the same credence that we give to other teams. The two QB's in the pac that consistently receive a lot of praise are Daniels and Slovis. Daniels stats are a little hard to decipher because he only played in 4 games and only had 84 passes. His one INT lead is about ~1.2% INT/Attempt. He had 9 PBU's or ~11% INT's/PBU's. In all likelihood he probably should have thrown one more INT. And Slovis had a ~2.6 INT/Pass Attempt so just about statistical average. and his 6 INT's puts him at ~20% INT's/PBU also really close to statistical average.

I think you have a few key points contributing to Iowa State's lower ranking. 1. Iowa State is not the top dog in conference and likely never will be. That belongs to Oklahoma, If were to bet on Oregon winning the Pac12 vs ISU winning the BIG12 my money is on Oregon. 2. Recruiting, ISU does more with less but that honestly means they have a cyclical team. they will Surge and fall. They need to recruit better than 55th. 3. While the Fiesta Bowl was Ugly, and oregon performed horribly... I also don't think one game comparison from 2020 is honestly fair. ISU, had both returning Coordinators. a returning starting qb and a longer season. With all that said, I wouldn't rank Oregon fifth, I wouldn't even rank them in the top 10. The position of QB is too valuable and with that being a question prior to the season I wouldn't rank them that high. I also hope spring allows our Offensive Line to get better settled and defined.

I think you miss the point pretty frequently in this statement. 1. Undersized- First undersized QB's are doing pretty well in the NFL and College right now. 2. I don't think I'd call him 'Undersized'. He needs the weight room at 190 but so do a number of players when the get to college. 3. "Very Helfrichean", I actually think Helfrich/Chip were quite apt at Evaluating players. Their problem was in their disdain for recruiting as a whole. 4. I make no remark towards their roster as a whole because I am not overly familiar but I do know that Oregon Offered and wanted WR Puka Nacua pretty bad. 5. No disagreement, Jon Donovan is a bad hire, but frankly UW hasn't had a good OC since Smith went to Oregon State. I think Donovan may actually be an improvement over Hamden still. You should look at who was hired for DC... now that is very Helrichean...

I really don't expect Brown to transfer out. He didn't win the starting job last year, and has kept around since. He easily could have transferred this year and guaranteed himself a starting spot elsewhere. At this point he must be looking at his Graduate degree. Although that doesn't really matter as he will be gone after this year. What you need to look at is the other depth, Thompson starting means he would jump butterfield, Ashford and Shough for the position. And during the 2021 and 2022 you could see multiple transfers at which point it becomes key for oregon to pull in 1-2 QB's in the 2022 class.

Neither do I, I guess my questions are just points I am interested in and hoping we can get some actual answers and reports prior to the season. I think some of these will be answered as we get spring rosters, some will be answered if we can watch a spring game game/practice and lastly some will be answered come the first game of the season. I'm also hoping some people may have better insight and understanding of the roster and can share that as well.

What's confusing to me about this move is he was already at UCLA with Chip. I wonder what his reasoning is for the move, because at this point I wouldn't want to be tying myself to Frost(Not that Chip is doing great either).

I really like reading Hythloday's work. Whether you agree or not with him, you can't say he isn't studied and doesn't have an well above average understanding of the game. Also his name is quite literally means "Peddler of nonsense" and I think is quite proud of that fact. As for his article, I think he quite clearly demonstrates how Oregon's Defense will be different next year purely based off how DeRuyter blitzes/pressures QB's vs Avalos. I for one will be happy to see more than 4 men blitzing the QB at a time and think that was honestly a big gap in our defense the last two years. Add in that Thibodeaux, per DeRuyter will never be 4i Tech and we should still have an elite pass rush mixed with some strong talent on the outside. A few questions: 1. Cal liked to play CB's on an Island, something that Leavitt(16-18) did in the past did but almost never done by Avalos(19-20) Despite us having the talent to do so. Will we see a return to that under DeRuyter? 2. I'm interested to see how LB shakes up under DeRuyter. I think ILB is fairly set with Sewell, ISM, Ju. Flowe, and Keith Brown, but olb sounds complicated and loaded at one of the two and note the other. - Per Hyth, It sounds like you have a pass rush specialist in the Joker(Stud or whatever terminology you prefer) at this position I can name Thibodeaux, Adrian Jackson, Mase Funa, Andrew Faoliu, and new LB Brandon Buckner all seem to be good fits. Yet the other OLB he clarifies as an OLB as hybrid olb/Nickel(Except on obvious passing downs in which case a true Nickel is used in place). Does Oregon have an OLB that fits this position? I think Adrian Jackson demonstrated some wheels this last season do you move him to get the start? Any thoughts 3. are we actually likely to see less Nickel as Hyth Predicts? 2 years ago(19) I thought DB was a strength, last season was just awful. I would love to see a DB lineup of Wright, McKinley, Hill and James. It would allow our safeties of the bench to be Bennett Williams and a freshman and when we do line up with Nickel, either Hill could move to that position as Williams takes safety or Williams comes in at safety. Overall I don't think we have the Depth at Safety to run Nickel frequently, and we definitely shouldn't be running Dime... 4. With Jordon Scott gone, does Popo have the skills to take over full time as a true Nose Tackle?

I think coach Wilson also staying rather than leaving helps de-emphasize that cristobal is "difficult to work for." To that point I do think Cristobal is 'difficult to work for' but not in the sense that the rumor mill produces. I think he expects you to work hard, to recruit hard and to be prime examples to the players. In that regards I think he expects a lot more than many other coaches but I think the facts stand as oregon has had 4 straight p12#1 recruiting classes.

I won't disagree that the pac 12 is irrelevant -atleast in regards to national media the playoffs but his point is completely off. We are Irrelevant because we have the worst media deals(and have for a decade). We are irrelevant because as a conference we can not produce an undefeated team(or one loss). we are Irrelevant in part to the decline membership of High School football participation in the west coast. His point of letting Oregon play in the ccg may have some merit, but who is the alternative. Washington was out due to covid, and to play colorado they would have had to have gotten the presidents to vote on the change which also doesn't make sense.

I think one point of notice is how much development each of Cristobal's four classes has gotten. First his first full class was a salvage class. His second class has been great overall, They've had a number of players including Hill and James overperform on the defensive side. His third class came right before the pandemic, add in a new OC and clearly the timeline and development was malignant. and now class four. A lot of what cristobal has accomplished has been because of Helfrich and Taggart recruits. I'm excited to see if he can institute a winning team with the players he has and an actual development timeline. This year, he should have 3 full classes(Not including a salvage 2018 class) with a full offseason, a full spring football and a weight training Oregon needs to be cooking this year. Oregon's talent in the last three classes is 44(Blue chip) - 27(3 stars) a blue chip ratio of ~62%

MC didn't have a scholarship to give. Oregon is already teetering with the overall scholarship limit. Add in that teams only keep one scholarshipped Kicker, Punter and Long Snapper on roster at any given point and we don't have one to give.

I agree, I think he is probably the most fundamentally sound out of the entire group. With that I think people are marking his measurables and position skills. He has been trained as a DE but he really doesn't have the physically attributes to play DE. His profile reads 6-1(maybe a touch short for OLB but not crazy) the problem is his last actually height measured was 5-11(who knows what his actually height is). I think this more than anything Is why he is getting knocked in the rankings. Their just isn't room in CFB for a 6-0 DE. He should be really good as pass rush OLB. I could see him pushing for time straight away. The only limiting factor is if he has the ability to play in coverage, I don't know what his speed coverage skills are like.

This Oregonian article came up in my news feed, noting that oregon had signed 4 of the top 6 offensive lineman in the pack 12. I did the rest of the work to find where The rest of the recruiting class landed. *As a note I used 247 vs Rivals primarily because 247 gives national rankings past 100 where rivals does not.* *Also note, to ease numbers I did not calculate Transfers/JC Transfers.* *Last key point, I grouped all Oline(OT/OG/OC), all QB's(PRO/DUAL) and RB's(RB/APB) in their respective positions. A few Key notes Oregon Signed the best player in the conference 4 times. OL-Kingsley, WR-Franklin, RB-McGee, and S-David. The signed the number 2 in the conference 7 Times. By only counting the highschool signees, the conference signed a total of 204 players. Of which all but one oregon player resides in the top 50% in the conference. Of the top 10% in the conference Oregon Signed 9. USC Signed 8 and the other 4 are split one a piece to Cal, UT, WA, ASU. Despite Buckner being below the 50% threshold in the conference, He still remained above 50% at his position(Ranked 7th out of 14). Barkins was the only player ranked below said 50(11th /16). Last Point as a conference I don't think anyone recruited DT, WDE, or S very well. USC pulled in the best DT who had a position rank of 14, CAL pulled in the best WDE ranked 21st positionally and the best safety was oregon's at 15th. Every other position in the conference pulled in multiple single digit(top 10) positionally ranked players. Ask for any clarifications, and I hope the image uploads well.

I think Oregon has some benefits that just aren't present at other Universities. First and foremost is the relative expectations. Sure you need to win, and win frequently(I'd argue this is the 'expectation' at all colleges) but I don't think fans/admin/booster expect double digit win seasons every single year. If you don't do this at Florida State, Tennessee, South Carolina, or pretty much any university you will be out in 3-5 years. Second, Booster/Boosters. Texas just fired their head coach for producing their best 4 year streak since the end of 2009. They Forced their most winning head coach Mack Brown to resign and as most Texas fans would say they have to many hands in the pot. Surely not every university is like this but the ones with paycheck$$ are. Oregon has one booster you have to impress. one booster you have to 'schmooze'. I won't pretend to know the full politics of boosters but I can promise having to deal with one is a lot better than the dozen(s) at other universities. Lastly, reputation. I think the concept of blue bloods needs amending. When it comes to working with and long term factions, if you haven't won anything in the last 20 years it doesn't matter. no recruit cares for a championship in 1991(Ahem). the next class of 2022 was born in 04-05 they have lived through 1 losing season at oregon. They have grown up with the 'oregon' jerseys. Oregon coaches are set to succeed because of this. That doesn't mean Cristobal et al. has it easy. I think Cristobal et al. Recruits harder than anyone else.

Counterpoint(Kinda). Marcus Arroyo cost Justin Herbert the number one draft pick. Not even getting into the scheme of Oregon's Offense. Herbert obviously didn't have the talent that both Burrow and Tagovailoa had, and probably never would have put up the stats those players did. With that the biggest knock(rightfully so) on Herbert prior to the Draft was his Mechanics. Herbert didn't improve at all during his three seasons post Helfrich. While the offense may have been stale and utterly boring at times, Why did herbert continuously make the same mistakes, overthrowing in the middle, neglecting to see LB's in zone and struggling to progress through reads. Sports pundits often pointed out that the offense was bland but they also commented it was bland and then noted his struggles. Arroyo was a bad OC and terrible QB coach.

First I feel bad for every rating system this year, it is nigh impossible. I mean many players just need that senior year to actually showcase their physical abilities. next players have lost the chance for breakout years. I don't care if its rivals, 247 or ESPN i feel bad for them having to evaluate 2020. Now to point out Troy Franklin, his drop in the rankings wasn't actually 247's fault. First to clarify 247 has a composite and a 247 ranking. Next on 7/31 247 ranked him at .95. his final ranking in january was actually a score of 96(247 not 247 composite). He dropped in the composite due to other factors. Rivals ranked him at 26th in September and dropped him to 33 by January. ESPN finished his ranking at 71st(They don't publish historical rankings). 247 would probably be better if they removed ESPN rankings from their composite system. Dropping espn still wouldn't fix their own evaluation problems.

I'm not entirely sure your point here. Rivals doesn't rank schools purely on the average of the athletes either. Example: Georgia is ranked 6th with 20 recruits and an average of 3.85 stars, while Clemson is ranked 7th with 19 recruits and an average of 3.95 stars. Rivals gives every player a rating that adds to a score and so because they are so close the added player gives Georgia the edge. Also 247 has system in place that the more recruits you get the less value they add to your team placing, a team with 85 2*'s would probably top out at 30th in their rankings. Look 247 has major evaluation issues, and consistently views when athletes commit as a reason to promote or lower the athletes ranking but I honestly wouldn't bunk them based on their ranking system. 247 has a few things I like. I think star averages are bad(which 247 doesn't do) because not all stars are the same. a 3 star with 4 offers(rated 1500 nationally by 247) is not the same as a 3 star with 24 offers(rated 400 nationally by 247). so to combate this 247 publishes their player rankings and scores. The score looks like .99 - .80. 5 star = ~.985 and above, 4 star =~.89 and above and a three star is .80 and up. I also like they layout and UI of 247 more and it is significantly easier to compare within conference on 247 as well. The issue I think Fishduck takes with 247 is the said 3 star i mentioned earlier, if he commits to Ohio State/Alabama becomes a 4 star in the next published rerankings, while if he commits to oregon he drops 40+ spots.

The NCAA has a special rule where upto 5 early enrollees(EEs) can count towards your previous class. This only works if your previous class has the space. USC signed 12 and had 1 transfer in 2020. The reports show that they had 4 2021 recruits early enrollee. With both of those they can sign up to 29 players baring they have the space on their roster or they make the space(cutting players). if you look at the numbers, multiple top 10 teams sign over the 25 'Limit' every year. they just can't sign over 30.

Arguably outside of the SEC, most conferences have 1 Elite team. The Big Ten has Ohio state, Big12 has Oklahoma, ACC has clemson. Each of these conferences has a secondary team who has the talent but curfuddles it every year(Michigan, Texas, Miami). Oregon doesn't need a balance of talent they need to hog everything they can, take as many elite west of texas players possible and fill in with some national players. The only other option is for the pac 12 relevancy is for USC to hire competent coaching and maintain their level of recruiting. I don't think anyone here will be arguing for the second option.

I know a lot of us don't like how shough performed in 2020... I didn't especially as the season progressed, but I definitely wouldn't argue that Washington has a qb either. Morris through 4TD's-3 INTS. of which 2 of his TD's came against the worst defense in the pac12(AZ). He was 9th in completion %, and 7th in passer rating(every system is slightly different. I would not be surprised if Huard passed him in fall. Although if Lake is anything like peterson, he will probably keep Morris because he is the veteran. This doesn't even factor in that I think Moorhead will actually improve our offense next year as he has more time to instill his vision where I don't think Donovan will improve washington.