I wrote a pinned post about going too far with the negative, with venting, etc. recently. And it sure appears that my contention that some people are negative people....just are that way-has been soundly proven. Some of them became innovative with their insults to the Ducks; discussing the obvious negative is fine, but going over-the-top several times?

Notice all the traffic we had after a loss? Note how much it declined after a win? There are a great many people who posted after losses, but when we win and do many good things--do they post then?

No.

We have a number of great posters who give opinions BOTH positive and negative, and some of them are new. I hope all you will continue to do that, and as for those who we only hear from when it is negative?

If We Lose to Ohio State....I'm Sure We'll Hear From You Again! (Right?)

Oh my....

Some people just need tea and sympathy.

And yes they will be back next time we lose.

Edited yesterday at 05:42 AM1 day by Solar

So what if people vent, and are more active following a loss? It’s called emotion and far more emotions (blowing off steam) happen following losses.

You can pick apart a loss far easier than a win.

More fun to win but there will be fewer interactions. Just normal behavior.

I don't think it is just losing, but how and why they are losing.

This season's OC promotion, the offensive style with Cristobal, the Brady Hoke disaster will bring out a lot of posts and rightly so.

But I totally agree that when things turn around (and they always do) that we should see the same peeps giving street cred for the comeback. Or else why are you here?

It has been a tough year and the toughest game is next up. So even if the Ducks lose, if they can show they are improving the x's and o's, fighting hard, knowing their assignments, and showing pride and mojo in what they do, there should be some good posts supporting the cause.

But on the other hand, if they are lost and totally unprepared like the Ok St game, then I can't expect too much from my fellow fishduck homies. Some of it is on them.

7 hours ago, oregon123 said:

I don't think it is just losing, but how and why they are losing.

Even discussing the negative on that is fine. This is a very astute group of people, but I have a hard time conveying the difference between discussing negative, versus going over-the-top negative and venting. We have a rule against venting No. 31, and suggest people read No. 31a, also, 31b especially, and 31d.

My concern is that those who have great observations that are negative will not post, as they don't understand that I want the negative posts, but not the innovative insults and the venting.

We've been through this before with the final year of Cristobal, and the year of losing to the Huskies twice....was quite a meltdown for some. Again negative is fine, as that is what we do in a forum. And I have certainly not only participated in posting negative, but made jokes in the process.

You are a great example of posting both ways, and I appreciate that. It gives you much more credibility with your negative posts when you post positive along with them. And I understand that some years, like this one, we are going to have a ton more negative posts. It is the way it is, and I've tolerated a TON more than I prefer, but since they did not break the rules....I let them all stay.

It was observation on my part about human nature, as being a moderator for thousands of posts--I've learned a ton about our tendencies over the years.

9 hours ago, Cigarstar said:

So what if people vent, and are more active following a loss? It’s called emotion and far more emotions (blowing off steam) happen following losses.

You can pick apart a loss far easier than a win.

More fun to win but there will be fewer interactions. Just normal behavior.

See the post above, (No. 5) as you are new here and have not been through what the rest of us have with venting. And we have a rule against it because it has been such a problem in the past.

What we see is normal behavior....it is human nature, and it is interesting to watch it play out, hence my observation.

I love the interaction of the positive and negative. It makes for great discussions in the threads.

It is the very part of the fabric woven into a true forum. The foundation for a great forum.

One simple rule drives this Forum. Respect for others!

There are plenty of sites that allow posters to denigrade, criticize and crush other people's posts. The more negative the better. The team losing, playing poorly or not bringing the A+ game makes it easier to criticize.

That criticism is fueled by passion and sheer disappointment. I cannot stress my absolute and heartfelt disappointment over the course of the season.

To make it worse were the fans jumping off the bandwagon and the vile criticism toward the players and the coaches.

Many posters expressed those feelings on the Forum. And did it within the rules. Including Duck homers, honks and those that live and breath all things Ducks. And I love that and look forward to all those posts.

This is where the rubber meets the road. IMHO some of those, who criticize the Ducks, absolutely want no criticism sent back in their direction.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out comes to mind.

Perhaps there are those that only want to post when the Ducks fail or lose. This Duck fan loses no sleep if they don't post.

My concern is over those who don't post because they might have gotten their feelings hurt thru well presented, differing view points.

Those differing view points are so welcome, as long as they are respectful of others. Support your view points and refute the view points that disagree. No reason to stop posting.

There have been some viscious, hateful posters on the Forum over the years that Charles and the moderators had to block from the site. They didn't like the rules.

I hope those who only like to criticize and complain keep posting. Play nice, take your medicine and strengthen the conversation.

I wonder would it hurt you to find and post something nice and positive about the Ducks. There was a great deal of positive from the Noryhwestern game. The duck coaches and players improved in alot of areas that many of you NegaDucks were complaining about.

Just saying!

It was great to see the Ducks come back after a 14 point deficit. To me that is the mark of a good team.

Win or lose Ill be a fan until they burry me.

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by 1Ducker1
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Normal behavior around here is pretty much unique to this site... We agree to to avoid the rancor of the world around us.

Edited 11 hours ago11 hr by woundedknees

I’ve certainly had my pessimism given how the season has progressed, but I actually avoid all media for a few days after a loss. Media and social media overall go heavily negative after a loss, and I find disengaging to be healthier for me than wallowing in it. It’s easier to wait out the wave of catastrophizing if I never engage with it.

I self-censor. Meaning, if we lose or I disagree with a playing philosophy, I don't post for a few days while I meltdown.

If we win, I figure I don't want to jinx the team, so I don't post to celebrate, or boast.

But...I am always lurking and reading.

16 hours ago, Cigarstar said:

You can pick apart a loss far easier than a win.

But doesn’t the job of picking apart a loss involve both negative AND constructive views? If it doesn’t, it seems to me there is no interest in finding solutions, but only blaming.

It’s true that winning only teaches you two things: that you’re doing something right and you like it. Losing teaches you everything else, but you have to want to learn from it, not just vent.

Perhaps they are waiting to see which team shows up next week, the week after that, etc.?

The team that showed up against USC or UCLA? The team from the first half or the second half of the Northwestern game?

I gave props to the players for not giving up at the end of the Northwestern game thread. The interim OC also deserves props, based on post game analysis, it seems like he reduced the progressions that Riola had to make and let him rip it.

Anyway people want to slice it, this is a lost season and it started with the hiring of the OC and evaluation of the OL room. I’m watching to see how the team improves and which young players step up.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by OregonDucks

3 minutes ago, OregonDucks said:

...and evaluation of the OL room.

Maybe not. Renewing all the young players, the players headed to the NFL who stayed, and the new players from a highly ranked recruiting class may have left them short of NIL money. We cannot draw an accurate conclusion on their evaluation of the OL based on the scant facts we have, IMHO. We weren't there....

But bottom line--I agree with you that they gambled and lost on the offensive line.

Fact is we're fans. We aren't on the field, playing. Or coaching. And we probably got used to seeing the Ducks win.

Seeing them lose as they have recently has triggered a lot of emotion. But there's little chance any of us will be putting on a uniform and showing everyone how an offensive lineman should operate. Those days are over for most of us. None of us will be climbing in the box calling plays, either. The only outlet fans have is talk. Talk IS our game. And shouting at the tv accomplishes very little other than sending the rest of the family into hiding.

The great thing about this forum is that we can do all our talking—not shouting—among people with the same interest, the same loyalty. That's a lot better than doing it in the local bar or at work ... where we might run into SUC or SUCKeye fans. Fights have been known to break out in those situations.

In a way, Charles has afforded us a safe space. And those of us who aren't coaches can get a pretty decent football education just by listening.

47 minutes ago, Charles Fischer said:

Maybe not. Renewing all the young players, the players headed to the NFL who stayed, and the new players from a highly ranked recruiting class may have left them short of NIL money. We cannot draw an accurate conclusion on their evaluation of the OL based on the scant facts we have, IMHO. We weren't there....

But bottom line--I agree with you that they gambled and lost on the offensive line.

Thats exactly what I think. The funds were pretty thin once they got to the O line. Not sure why/if they thought the O line was a secondary need. 2nd most important position group on the team.

36 minutes ago, tee duke said:

Fact is we're fans. We aren't on the field, playing. Or coaching. And we probably got used to seeing the Ducks win.

Seeing them lose as they have recently has triggered a lot of emotion.

Good points TD.

It’s occurred to me on more than one occasion that fans’ passions for their teams can verge on substance abuse when winning ways suddenly go south. I love those warm, feel good Sundays following a Duck victory. The whole day just kind of floats. But, the opposite is true with an unexpected loss - painfully raw nerves.

Because of that, I kind of feel for Duck fans who’ve only known the winning. It’s the losing that gives you balance and perspective, and without the lows, there’s no highs.

1 hour ago, Charles Fischer said:

Maybe not. Renewing all the young players, the players headed to the NFL who stayed, and the new players from a highly ranked recruiting class may have left them short of NIL money. We cannot draw an accurate conclusion on their evaluation of the OL based on the scant facts we have, IMHO. We weren't there....

But bottom line--I agree with you that they gambled and lost on the offensive line.

That would bring more troubling questions from me about prioritization and NIL cap management…

What’s the point of having a $7M+ QB room, if you can’t protect them?

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by OregonDucks

I’m still here. 🤣

Seriously, though. Last week looked promising. I hope we boatrace tosu next week.

Hmm, Am I a negaduck? I haven't picked the opponent once.