JabbaNoBargain

I referenced apathy as being the worst possible outcome for women’s hoops previously…I have gone from not missing a single game to being unaware we had a game today. Probably time for a change.

Interesting stuff! This may be pretty obvious, but I think it’s good to revisit the results of the last 10 years with a 4-team playoff. Only 15 different schools appeared in the 4-team playoff. It gets more consolidated when you realize only 6 different schools won the playoff, with 80% coming from the big2, SEC(6), B1G(2), and Clemson (2). So the better question might be, “did they already ruin college football”. If ruined means “very few teams outside the big 2 winning the playoff”, that’s already been achieved. I think every suggested expansion format will help on the variety of schools front.

“I feel very strongly that they’re probably tired of loudmouthed presidents like the guy at Washington State who got in the way several years ago and stopped the progress of the 12-team Playoff,” Finebaum explained. “…And he’s still mouthing off, and he’s part of a league with 2 schools. My reaction is shut up, go find yourself into a league before you try to dictate policy at the CFP.” Gold Jerry, gold.

All good reads! But Arizona #4? Get serious. Maybe if they were status quo and building upon last year I could see them sneaking into the playoff at #12. Utah is the one to beat in that conference.

Oh yeah, I called it a potential glorified podcast earlier in the thread. Can’t imagine anyone wanting to carry it. Direct streaming only with the voice of the Beavs and Cougs being the talent. Since the conference failed at successfully implementing the network at full strength, very good chance this will be a huge money loser for them as their pirated treasure dries up quickly.

Another angle that gets me, in addition to all the above, the rules for A MEMBER OR TWO leaving were not designed for 10 members leaving at once. Again, terrible leadership.There should have been a clause as to what constitutes the conference dissolving. Arrogance did not allow for this as a possibility, which is just foolish and incompetent. More? Despite this, they still could have argued this point, and to my knowledge did not. Finally. Their fanbase referring to us as “Whoregone” when they were also trying to leave, and would join the ACC today if they were invited, is just flat out annoying. Throw in us giving up a home game to give them a home game to sell (featuring us) and it makes me not wish them well. All that being said, they’re about to become irrelevant in my mind-space after we pound them in September.

There are all kinds of whacky scenarios that are possible. You could have the B12 second best team (or champ) be 7-5 and make the playoff. On average though, the big 2 are each going to have 3+ teams that win 10+ games, these teams will no doubt all be in the top 14. SEC/B1G will organically have at least 3 teams in the top 14 whether or not the word “guaranteed” is used, can’t say the same for the B12/ACC. I think on average, the lesser two conferences come out ahead with these guarantees.

They have this completely backwards. Anything that guarantees multiple conference bids outside the big 2 should be grabbed without question. Just look at the 2024 top 25 recruiting classes, 20 are from the SEC/B1G. If the PAC had continued sans the LA schools, I would have been very happy taking a guarantee of at least two teams every year. Not hard to see where this is going.

All true, but one conference has 5+ “blue bloods” and the other has zero, Not equal schedules so not all losses are equal. I’d go as far to say that 9-3 in the new B1G is the equal to 11-1 in the new B12.

What "continuing" means actually remains to be seen. Glorified WSU/OSU podcast? High potential for them to screw that up and cost some serious $$.

On a side note, I've been wondering when the time to unsubscribe from all things PAC would arrive, and it's starting to feel like the time has arrived.

Agree that this is stupid logic for all conferences, but the reality with the new membership in the SEC and B1G is that it stretches the imagination to think these two conferences won't have at least 3 teams in the top 14 every year. Most of what I've seen with ND is they are in if they are in the top 14, which is true for nearly anyone. So I'm not in a huge twist on that one. For fun, I reviewed the historical ACC standings...about every 3 years, the team with the second best record had 4+ losses, the frequency gets much worse if they are taking division champs. The B12 no longer having Texas and Oklahoma is bound to have it's second best team have 3+ losses just about every year. Format really should be 4 conference champs, 1 best mid, rest completely at large.

Also just read they’re “continuing” the P12 network through 2025. Just let that sink in.

My biggest issue would actually be the guarantee of two teams for the ACC and B12. SEC and B1G are pretty much guaranteed getting 3 each with a field that simply takes the top 14. Two spots reserved for the ACC and B12 will result in some 8-5 team making the field one day soon, which is just stupid.

I would guess we’re pac12 until we aren’t. Maybe the remaining 2 will sell the rights for whatever they can scrounge up.

So I assume spring games will still be on the P12 network? Awkward.

Yeah same. I loved them when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. After seeing the mini-documentary during the SB I remembered why I liked them and decided to go back.

Given I pledged to return to being a Raiders fan again this year no matter what, this would please me!

I don’t think calling for Altman is completely ridiculous. For me, this was the year to make the top 68 and look the other way on the past two seasons because of injuries. How many years of ridiculous injuries does it take before we start to chalk it up to more than bad luck? I wouldn’t fire him yet, but I hope that he retires after this year. A 4th year of no tourney, regardless of why, would be the breaking point for me. Making the field is a minimal bar for success. EK was great, until he wasn’t.

Worst thing that can happen is a return to apathy. I was really into the team when they were good, was actually going out of my way to watch every game I could, even when it involved a terrible streaming situation. Now I’ve completely quit paying attention. Stay the course if you’re cool with back-burner women’s hoops.

I would guess that a practice facility is the priority because it helps with recruiting which provides an immediate return on investment. This was also in the works prior to conference transition. Takes a pretty long time for a 9 figure expansion by 12,000 seats to turn a profit, and I’m not sure how much recruits care if the capacity is 66k instead of 54k.

All about amateur status no longer being a concern for college or Olympic athletes.

Can’t wait! Though confirming participation when the release states everyone that plays FBS football will be participating makes it seem like not much of an additional release.

All this pac2 nonsense about access is hilarious. Neither have ever been remotely close to making the playoff to date, their real concern is continued access to unearned money. Those future earnings are about to dry up unless they actually succeed on the field in a sustained fashion. Pound sand pac2.

Good call. Worked out better in every way and it’s not like he left after 10 months.