Keystone Kops

3 minutes ago, ICamel said:

Chip called the plays. Helf was OC in name only.

we are not along way off from those days--things are not looking all that good. 

next years freshmen will also be inexperienced. and so will the year after.

Its going to take at least 3 years to build a good team. I just wished and hoped this team was better and the future was brighter sooner than later

Just now, Smith72 said:

Special teams don't appear to be coached or prepared!

 

Looks like more just critical mental errors. Coaching can correct them and prepare them ... But the fact that they keep on happening is on both the players and the coaches. 

Well...freshmen are inexperienced every year, by definition .

The bulk of the team,  more than 75%, has two or more years to grow and mature.

Chip Kelly would have gone for it.

Just now, Santa Rosa Duck said:

Chip Kelly would have gone for it.

MC would normally go for it... Th y shouldn't have punted. If they want to get back into the game they can't punt. 

We caught the kickoff after their field goal!!  Woo-hoo!!!

6 minutes ago, David Marsh said:

MC would normally go for it... Th y shouldn't have punted. If they want to get back into the game they can't punt. 

You can’t call this a well coached team.  Pull starting QB after going 3for3?  Fumbles, negating penalties?  Grade school special team errors?  Questionable play calling.  Sorry.  Wish it weren’t so.  Especially at these rates.

Put in a QB - which one I don't care - then stick with him.

How about Sean Dollars?

I give up. The worst play call, over and over and over and over and...

Way too much time of possession for Iowa State. They are an experienced team that has played well!

This really illustrates how a team that plays a full season is more polished and plays better together.  PAC12 hosed the ducks again....

Well, Oregon lays an egg on the national stage. On offense, defense, special teams and on the sidelines.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by jrw

Looking forward to Basketball game tonight.

My wife just joined me for the last few minutes. As the TV showed a close up of Tyler Shough she said "that is the look of fear in his eyes:. He then promptly thru an interception.

Turned this joke of a game off... 

Uninspired mistake -riddled play. Sick to my stomach. So disappointed in the coaches that I was so exited about. Outcoached and outplayed. A new year bummer.

I would like to see Shough have success.  I feel for him.  But.....he is not performing time and time again.  Is it him, or the Coach’s play calling?

Frankly, another four or five games wouldn’t have made a difference.

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.  
 

Armstead; Buckner; the set of 2014 and 2007 WRs.  Blunt; Rolls Royce; Ngata; Sewell;  Stewart; Herbert; Harris; Matthews;  and others that are built like NFL players.  
 

This group and the incoming recruits are too small.  They will elevate the program, but they are not enough.  We can start with the first two guys I mentioned above.  Bama, Clemson and Ohio State have six or seven guys that size on the defensive line.

Our receivers still don’t torch the best nationwide.  You can see it today.  Verdell is close, but Blunt, Stewart and Freeman are archetype bruisers with speed.

We have to get bigger and faster.  There isn’t enough juice or toughness that can match that caliber consistently in my opinion.  Maybe a semifinal victory, but I don’t see titles in our future.

Iowa State is tough, but they do not look like or perform like the Big 3.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by Mike West

2 minutes ago, Mike West said:

Frankly, another four or five games wouldn’t have made a difference.

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.  
 

Armstead; Buckner; the set of 2014 and 2007 WRs.  Blunt; Rolls Royce; Ngata; Sewell;  Stewart; Herbert; Harris; Matthews;  and others that are built like NFL players.  
 

This group and the incoming recruits are too small.  They will elevate the program, but they are not enough.  We can start with the first two guys I mentioned above.  Bama, Clemson and Ohio State have six or seven guys that size on the defensive line.

Our receivers still don’t torch the best nationwide.  You can see it today.  Verdell is close, but Blunt, Stewart and Freeman are archetype bruisers with speed.

We have to get bigger and faster.  There isn’t enough juice or toughness that can match that caliber consistently in my opinion.  Maybe a semifinal victory, but I don’t see titles in our future.

Iowa State is tough, but they do not look like or perform like the Big 3.

Totally agree. I think it's fair to say that next year will be just another year. Some good, some bad but not enough to make a statement.

Just turned the game off. We shot ourselves in the foot every which way. ISU is not a very good team. They just managed to methodically move the ball, and we couldn't. They ate the clock, wore out our defense, and wore down our spirit. Oregon was outreached and outplayed.

This has become a familiar problem for the Ducks. We can't win consistently and we look pretty lame. OU is not in the same league with Alabama, Ohio State or any of a dozen other programs. We couldn't even beat OSU and CAL. 

This loss reminds me of the letdown after the Alamo Bowl disaster. Only it's worse. Because we have some very talented players. And we are supposed to have good coaches. But this ... spectacle ... is going to hurt how Oregon is perceived, not to mention recruiting. I guarantee we are going to see a bunch of de-commits.

 

Outcoached.

9 minutes ago, Mike West said:

As I intimated last night, we don’t have the horses.  This is not an experience thing.  We need guys the size of the Oregon grads that are NFL standouts.

This is truly the case. When you watch Alabama, and Ohio State, those guys just don't look like our guys, every one of them is huge and fast. KT was the #1 recruit, and he doesn't look like the Alabama guys.

 Mario is trying, the only way he can to get the players. But Alabama is still getting better players. It's going to be tough to catch up. 

With outings like this on national tv we aren't going to get the recruits you're talking about.

Congrats to Iowa State that was fun to watch a well coached team with a very good qb. They are also the type of team I like to watch be successful. They are a lot like the Ducks and show the future can be bright.

They have the same very good coaching staff with a group of players who have been together longer. Now we can be frustrated we didn't pick Purdy as our qb, but that is not how Oregon rolls anymore. We pick the elite talent and sometimes get the elite play.

Next season we may get that elite talent with our 5* recruit coming in. We no longer look to the diamond in the rough. I don't think we even signed one guy who wasn't lauded by the recruiting services. We either have the elite guy who makes it big at the college level, or just a guy who has some very good measurables.

Believe me I was frustrated, because I still love an underdog. Unfortunately we still lose to underdogs and we aren't an underdog anymore.

Also we lost 4-0, that was what mattered and the final score was 42-17, not 34-17

 

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by Haywarduck

And I'm beginning to have serious reservations about our coaching staff. 

That's even more serious.

It is pretty hard to win a game where you do not convert 3rd downs, and turn the ball over 5 times.  2 muffed kicks, 2 fumbles and an int.)

One team came to play. The other team came to execute plays.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by PittDuck

11 minutes ago, tee duke said:

ISU is not a very good team.

ISU is a VERY GOOD team! Beat Oklahoma once and lost to that same Oklahoma team by just 6 points in the Big12 championship game.

Our Ducks lost to a better team today.

I'd like to give the Duck players a pass this year because of the circumstance from Covid, but I can't give the coaching staff a pass. 

When you're still running up the gut on 3rd and 2 and not getting it. When are you going to learn?

Even my wife, who knows enough about football even knew Likio was going to get the ball on a 3rd and 2 in the 4th qtr. She said why else would he be in there? 0 3rd down conversions in a game. 

I think thats a sign of something wrong.

49 minutes ago, Duckdude said:

Looking forward to Basketball game tonight.

That's the way to see the bright side of things. Both basketball teams are off to great starts,  and should just get better as the season goes on. 

2 minutes ago, ICamel said:

ISU is a VERY GOOD team! Beat Oklahoma once and lost to that same Oklahoma team by just 6 points in the Big12 championship game.

Our Ducks lost to a better team today.

The difference is that our Ducks are a 3/4 billion $$ team--I guess it shows that throwing $$ at something doesnt always bring results.

maybe 3 or 4 years down the road it will pay off? Personally I doubt it-but here's to hoping. I came from the old school of failure is failure.

No excuses--- If I was Mullen I would have waited for the bowl game to bring out the check book.

 Im almost sickened at the way college ball pays out without regard  to success.---Mario Cristobal is just an O line coach-no more-less. 

11 minutes ago, 1Ducker1 said:

The difference is that our Ducks are a 3/4 billion $$ team

That would be $750,000,000. Show us the money!

Not good but it was a season of ups and downs. The hope was USC was the team putting some things together - but no. Fans fools gold.

Far from so bad I'd expect any significant guys to pull the plug and transfer. Maybe it effects a few seniors on the fence about returning. As I understand it, kids who signed LOIs don't have the option to decommit (nor should they want to based on a bowl game loss as an underdog).

Things still look up for 2021. Just no play-off talk please until AT LEAST the team hits about 10-0 (which would seem pretty unlikely).

 

It was a very cruel reversal of fortunes for the Ducks. For a while, they had made the last few minutes of the first half their red zone. Today, those minutes were a disaster. They get a great goal line stand, march 99 yards, tie the score, and look forward to getting the ball at the start of the second half. what could go wrong?
 Sadly, we all know what went wrong. Iowa State ended up winning the TOP, about 48-12, and the Ducks spent a lot of the time they did have the ball, committing costly penalties or turning the ball over. Somehow it seems the score should have been even worse.

 

It was not fun to watch. So many unforced errors for the Ducks.

What's fun to watch is a contest between two battling teams who push one another to one great play after another.

That was not in any way this year's Fiesta Bowl. This was an embarrassment for the Ducks program, players and especially the coaching staff. I feel sorry for our talented players, who played hard in a losing effort. Perhaps it will prove a turning point for the program and provide the motivation for everyone to perform at a higher level in the coming season. We can only hope that is true.

But the fact remains, based on the evidence I've seen in the games played yesterday, we have a long way to go to get to that level.

 

It was an incredibly sad and embarrassing day for Oregon and the Pac 12 in front of a national audience.  We laid an egg on national tv.  We were outmanned, outcoached, and outplayed in every facet of the game.  We've given Helton a lot of verbal abuse over the years for abundance of talent with poor coaching, and it's becoming apparent to me that we're no better.  We've lost players to covid, injuries and opt outs, but so have all the other schools.  I'm so glad we didn't play Ohio State, and to even think we're anywhere near the elite teams is ludicrous.

I'm sad the Ducks lost, especially in the fashion they did. But I'm glad they chose to play in their bowl game, which is more than 6 other PAC-12 teams did. I hope the practices and game experience (however faulty) will help them learn to be better players starting in the spring.

wow... just jumping in here late with a few comments - if there is redundancy, my apologies...  I really think we can hang this loss on the coaching staff, primarily the Head Coach.  Taking Shough out just before the end of the first drive really messed with our mojo.  We've been hearing that they wanted Tyler to get his confidence back, but subbing him out right before the good stuff happened was a bad idea.  I'm not sure the coaches were successful in getting buy-in from him about this new 2 quarterback system that seemed to pop up overnight as it were.  Then when Brown couldn't sustain an actual drive, they sub Tyler back in, but his body language showed no emotion or drive.  At one point in the game, the camera panned across Tyler when the other players were applauding a play on the field, and Tyler was just clapping politely - no emotion at all.  Wouldn't surprise me to see his name in the transfer portal tomorrow....  It also wouldn't surprise me if the unusually poor performance on special teams was also impacted by this uncertainty. 

I feel that shuffling back and forth between quarterbacks, and not letting Tyler finish the first drive and be rewarded for getting them down the field took something away from the whole team.  I know the defense played their back side off, but they couldn't win it all by them selves, especially after the coaches shot the offense in the foot too many times.

Just my 2 cents worth...

olcodgerduck

I'm with you bro.

The coaching staff has made a mess of our QB situation and possibly harmed Tyler's head, opening the door for him to leave. This really bothers me especially since we saw his parents in the stands, watching this play out. If you were the parent of a high school athlete, would you permit your son to commit and play for these coaches after witnessing that? In my mind, Oregon has always given the impression of a family, where relationships matter and help young athletes grow into adulthood the right way, with the right set of values. I don't know, but I suspect the Sewell family thought that.

That earned reputation was damaged tonight. And that hurts worse than the loss, as bad as it was.

 

I think the coaching staff was trying to see if they had one qb who could lead the offense. Right now we don't have a true leader at the qb position. Since Marcus we lucked into Herbert, but haven't had much luck since our Heisman developing, or recruiting the next great one.

Maybe he was on the bench or is headed to Eugene this spring, but the next great qb didn't show up today. There is hope, and that will have the biggest impact on the season, at least the biggest thing we can change. 

2 hours ago, ICamel said:

That would be $750,000,000. Show us the money!

ok maybe a bit over exaggerated but you know what I mean--Iowa St?, maybe less funding than  Oregon St or Boise St.

Oregon is known throughout the nation as Nike U. Why have better than most NFL team facilities if we cant beat Iowa St??

what type of lack of discipline is going down in Eugene?

Embarrassing  to say the least, 20 yrs ago it would be different.

the highest paid public employee in Oregon is MC---and even higher now

I could see the Ducks losing to say a Clemson or even a Notre Dame but Iowa St??? fail big time.

We are becoming the USC of the north..

And... Im not buying into the inexperience or youth. Our best players are seniors and juniors or redshirt sophomores.

Edited January 3, 20215 yr by 1Ducker1